Conjecture about the secrets of Esteren

[Arthus]

It was indeed a part of my question, but I didn't want to influence Old timer in his thoughts (the purpose was to have a "pure" reflexion from him, not corrupted by the orientation of my questions).

My opinion/theory/feeling is indeed that flux cannot be extracted from dead things (I think it's written in the base book that the extraction always kills the living thing which is "extracted"). The only exception would be the mineral flux, which comes from non-living things.

What is the opinion of the others about this interesting question?

[Old timer]

My idea of flux being extracted from dead is based of that in the core book, flux can be taken from hair, skin and bone, only as a mediocre source. As it is, i assume, deliberately left vague on if this needs to be alive or not (unlike the next entry that stated that living organs and blood are a good source of flux) my idea was based on that a dead body could provide flux by its bones and maybe its hair.
Also, as flux can be derived from fossil sources (the best source?), and living things when they die can become fossils, i see how there could be a connection here.

[Clovis]

I always considered that you can draw organic Flux from dead matter, as long as the matter in question is organic (duh) of course. Thus, you don't necessarily need to bleed an animal (or, the Creator forbids, a human!) to death to get organic Flux. However, live subjects give better results.

[Walker602]

Probably not even close, but I'm going to go with that the Feondas are the dead that have risen due to the occult powers of flux. Basically, a person / creature dies, sits in flux for a long time, gets risen or possessed, and then boom. Feondas. It's already been displayed by the crystal in Loch Varn that flux can both transform and mutate creatures, as well as contain the evil spirits of those long dead (Verzal's ghost). It's possible. I'd also make the conjecture that the flux obviously isn't something that any of the three groups understand. Perhaps it's a fluid that exists to empower the land to be shaped through desire, as with true occultism (Hermeticism specifically), as that seems to be a major part of the game. I'd go as far as to venture a guess that the Gods of the temple don't really exist, the Demorthen spirits are fake, and the magientists only make progress though flux because that's what they're willing from it. Each of the three groups sees it in a different way, and through that ideal they empower the way it shapes the world. Perhaps even, since flux can be extracted from basically ANYTHING, it's the most basic compound that the world is formed from. It's possible that everyone exists even in a matrix style representation of life based on the visualization of flux. Maybe the world itself isn't even real, and flux is essentially just a building block like in minecraft. What if Tri-Kazel, the peninsula, is cut off from everywhere else in the world because it only exists in the minds of the people trapped within? Anyways, just my ramblings. If I'm right about anything though, somebody's buying me a shot. Or at least a T-shirt. Also, when do we get the spend lots of money on an English kickstarter for b3? And where do we buy b2 from? Take my money, please. Please take my money.

Tl;dr = Flux == Necroroids

[Iris]

Anyways, just my ramblings. If I'm right about anything though, somebody's buying me a shot. Or at least a T-shirt. Also, when do we get the spend lots of money on an English kickstarter for b3? And where do we buy b2 from? Take my money, please. Please take my money.

Thanck you !


Well, we plan Book 2 - Travel for 2013 in english, we're at the present time ending its preparation ! ... You'll have a quite big book with hardcover ...

Clovis is working hard to translate everything we are working on ! ... You'll have to wait a little but assuredly less than the french players to learn more about Esteren !

[Siluvatar]

Hi all mad people !

I'm finishing a 1 year / 9 scénarios campaigne as game-master, and one of the dark unpleasant aspect of this campaign was a rogue magientist fellowship, extracting flux (or trying at least) from corpses brought by mercenaries. The money needed for this grand scheme was given by an unknown source (the temple). The reason is to long to explain, but all out war and deception is the goal here...

All that to say that at no point did the players actually found out if the flux had indeed been successfully extracted or not, and did not know if it was like fossil flux or another type of flux.

To me, the flux extracted was a highly unstable offspring of fossil flux (depending on the time of death), alot more powerfull, but less predictable.

just giving my insight on what i picture about flux and dead stuff....

Good day to you all mad hatters !

[Iris]

One year campaign and 9 scenarios ? ! Excellent !

Interesting theory, your link between the time of death and the possibility to extract fossil flux ! ... I would say, in that order, it may be useful ton make "momies" ... You make one on year 1, you cas extract a lot of fossil flux in year 30 ...Catacomb and old cadavre should be perfect in this interpretation !


Thank you for telling us your creations ! Don't hesitate to tell us more about your campagne in another topic, it may be usefull for other Game Masters ! (if you already have written your scénarios )

[Gary]

Hello All,
Just joined the board so catching up, hence the years gap.
Myself and one of my groups were working on the theory that Fossil Flux is the cause of the Feondas. The flux acts as a mutagenic chemical. In large doses very toxic, but in low levels in the environment, mutating the creatures contaminated.
There are definite hints that the two are connected. Think I will have to wait for Secrets to arrive to find out. (Will need to ban my players from reading it.)